1 00:00:02,190 --> 00:00:06,410 The following dramatic presentation is a work of fiction. It has been inspired by 2 00:00:06,410 --> 00:00:09,770 recent events in Newfoundland and elsewhere in Canada, but it is not a 3 00:00:09,770 --> 00:00:11,250 reenactment of any actual events. 4 00:00:11,490 --> 00:00:15,050 The characters, scenes, and dialogue in this drama are not intended to represent 5 00:00:15,050 --> 00:00:19,270 the actual personalities, actions, or words of any real people living or dead. 6 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:10,979 Do you need 7 00:02:10,979 --> 00:02:26,400 any 8 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:27,400 help here? 9 00:02:33,740 --> 00:02:36,040 It says a pinch. How much is a pinch? 10 00:02:36,380 --> 00:02:37,840 Let me see what you think is a pinch. 11 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:39,200 Say ah. 12 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:41,040 Say ah. 13 00:02:41,660 --> 00:02:42,660 Ah. 14 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:45,840 Relax. 15 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:47,840 It's going to be good. 16 00:02:49,700 --> 00:02:50,800 It's okay, it's okay, it's okay. 17 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,840 My name is Detective Owen of the Royal Newfoundland Establishment. May I step 18 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:12,840 in, please? 19 00:03:13,260 --> 00:03:16,700 Yes, sir. Come on. I can help your mom. 20 00:03:18,660 --> 00:03:21,160 I have a warrant for your arrest, sir. 21 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:22,440 You need not say anything. 22 00:03:23,060 --> 00:03:26,260 You have nothing to hold from any promise or favor, nothing to fear from 23 00:03:26,260 --> 00:03:26,978 any threat. 24 00:03:26,980 --> 00:03:29,660 You have the right to retain and instruct counsel without delay. 25 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:32,200 Anything you say can be used as evidence. 26 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:34,860 I have orders to bring you back to St. John's. 27 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:37,360 Excuse me. This is ridiculous. 28 00:03:38,529 --> 00:03:41,490 I have not been in St. John's for ten years. 29 00:03:41,810 --> 00:03:44,270 Were you the superintendent of St. Vincent Orphanage in 1975? 30 00:03:49,130 --> 00:03:51,350 Sir, have you got your coat, please? Just hold on. 31 00:03:53,070 --> 00:03:54,070 What is the charge? 32 00:03:54,510 --> 00:03:57,750 Gross indecency, sexual assault, physical assault. 33 00:03:58,210 --> 00:04:00,430 I'm afraid you'll have to come with me, sir. Maybe you'll want to pack some 34 00:04:00,430 --> 00:04:02,210 things. Peter, what is going on? 35 00:04:02,450 --> 00:04:05,550 Would you please take the children into the kitchen? I have to pack. 36 00:04:06,590 --> 00:04:08,830 Sir, I'm sorry, I had to accompany you to your room. Fine. 37 00:04:09,710 --> 00:04:10,710 No! 38 00:04:12,030 --> 00:04:13,030 Peter! 39 00:04:14,190 --> 00:04:15,190 What's going on? 40 00:04:18,190 --> 00:04:20,350 Peter, what is going on, please? 41 00:04:21,709 --> 00:04:24,090 Peter, answer me! I don't know what is going on. 42 00:04:24,490 --> 00:04:27,590 These gentlemen have come from Newton Land. They tell me that I am under 43 00:04:27,590 --> 00:04:30,810 arrest and that I must accompany them, so I am packing. 44 00:04:31,090 --> 00:04:33,530 You can't come in here and arrest my husband! 45 00:04:33,970 --> 00:04:36,690 Where are you? Are you taking him? I'm taking him back to St. John's, Mrs. 46 00:04:36,690 --> 00:04:38,930 Levin. Why, Peter? I don't know why! 47 00:04:39,850 --> 00:04:42,370 Will you pack, help the kids, or do something? 48 00:05:36,790 --> 00:05:37,790 30, right? 49 00:05:44,170 --> 00:05:45,170 The other side. 50 00:06:01,990 --> 00:06:03,110 Where's Paul Stephens, though? 51 00:06:03,410 --> 00:06:05,170 It's over there. But do you have an appointment? 52 00:06:05,510 --> 00:06:06,870 Sir? Sir? 53 00:06:10,690 --> 00:06:11,690 You've got me there? 54 00:06:13,270 --> 00:06:14,270 It's all right, Janice. 55 00:06:14,770 --> 00:06:15,790 This thing says subpoena. 56 00:06:16,650 --> 00:06:19,230 That's not supposed to show up in court like the goddamn criminal. 57 00:06:20,030 --> 00:06:21,470 You can't force me to do this. 58 00:06:24,290 --> 00:06:25,290 Yes, I can. 59 00:06:42,049 --> 00:06:43,049 Recognize it? 60 00:06:47,330 --> 00:06:52,350 I've charged one Peter John Lavin with various crimes based in part on that 61 00:06:52,350 --> 00:06:53,350 statement which you made. 62 00:06:54,190 --> 00:06:58,410 I intend to bring you into court and have you tell the judge that that is 63 00:06:58,410 --> 00:06:59,410 indeed your signature. 64 00:07:25,100 --> 00:07:28,160 After what that bastard did to you, you don't want to nail him? 65 00:07:28,980 --> 00:07:30,100 I don't believe it. 66 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,120 Send me another piece of paper like this and I'll disappear, you understand? 67 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:45,280 I will not go to court. 68 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:53,420 Peter John Levin was arrested today on charges of sexual and physical assault. 69 00:07:54,010 --> 00:07:57,890 The offenses were allegedly committed against boys at the orphanage 15 years 70 00:07:57,890 --> 00:07:58,890 ago. 71 00:07:59,130 --> 00:08:02,850 Former Brother Lavin was very visible and popular in the community during his 72 00:08:02,850 --> 00:08:07,150 tenure. He is generally credited with being the dynamic force behind the 73 00:08:07,150 --> 00:08:10,710 expansion of the orphanage facilities, including the building of the St. 74 00:08:10,770 --> 00:08:13,870 Vincent Hockey Arena, home of the perennial city champs. 75 00:08:15,110 --> 00:08:18,590 Mr. Lavin lives in Montreal and is married with two children. 76 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,940 As I was telling you before, Brother Lavin... I beg your pardon. 77 00:09:04,660 --> 00:09:05,660 Oh, excuse me. 78 00:09:06,140 --> 00:09:07,140 Mr. Lavin. 79 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:13,260 Now, let me explain the options of a plea of guilty or not guilty. Don't 80 00:09:13,260 --> 00:09:14,360 bother. Not guilty. 81 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:20,160 How much? 82 00:09:20,380 --> 00:09:23,300 Pardon? Cost. Man, cost. I have a family, remember? 83 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,660 Your fees are being taken care of. I thought you knew that. 84 00:09:28,900 --> 00:09:33,520 Now... I'm afraid I must return to the question of a plea. Listen to me. 85 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:35,000 I'm innocent. 86 00:09:35,780 --> 00:09:37,040 I exercise discipline. 87 00:09:37,680 --> 00:09:40,860 I try to shape young boys into responsible people. Now, the quicker you 88 00:09:40,860 --> 00:09:43,660 understand that, the better for both of us. Is that clear? 89 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:48,320 Yes, of course. 90 00:09:51,140 --> 00:09:52,280 What do you think, callers? 91 00:09:52,860 --> 00:09:56,580 There we've got former superintendent Lavin, brothers Glackin and Glynn, all 92 00:09:56,580 --> 00:09:57,580 picked up in a sweep. 93 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,660 Accused of unmentionable crimes against little youngsters. 94 00:10:01,580 --> 00:10:03,780 Helpless orphans entrusted to their care. 95 00:10:04,260 --> 00:10:05,260 You've heard the news. 96 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:06,720 What do you think? 97 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:12,020 VOCP, the voice of the common people, is on the air. Give us a call. 98 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:13,580 Line two, you're on the air. 99 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:15,240 Morning, Lenora. 100 00:10:15,580 --> 00:10:16,800 My God, Gladys. 101 00:10:17,260 --> 00:10:20,160 Good to hear from you. I haven't heard from you in a long time. You're a 102 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:21,720 stranger. Where have you been keeping yourself? 103 00:10:22,860 --> 00:10:23,860 and my daughter in Toronto. 104 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:25,320 Well, good for you. 105 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,300 Yeah. Just got back yesterday. 106 00:10:27,680 --> 00:10:28,539 Mm-hmm. 107 00:10:28,540 --> 00:10:30,460 And you can imagine my shock. 108 00:10:31,340 --> 00:10:36,620 Now, I want to tell you, I've been a churchgoer and a good one all my life. 109 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,160 Well, and God love you for it, too, Gladys. Why, thank you, Lenore. 110 00:10:40,940 --> 00:10:44,200 Now, as I was saying, I don't believe a word of it. 111 00:10:44,820 --> 00:10:47,140 You're not buying any of it? No. No. 112 00:10:47,820 --> 00:10:51,940 Well, when I think of all the fine men in our community that have been saved by 113 00:10:51,940 --> 00:10:52,579 their brothers. 114 00:10:52,580 --> 00:10:57,140 Yeah, yeah. Well, I tell you, Lenora, it just makes me furious. 115 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:02,060 There's so many people looking for any reason to bring down the mother church. 116 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:06,180 Well, I hope you're right. God knows we hope you're right, Gladys. 117 00:11:07,780 --> 00:11:11,620 Police officials have confirmed the existence of signed witness statements 118 00:11:11,620 --> 00:11:13,280 dating back to the mid-70s. 119 00:11:13,610 --> 00:11:16,750 They were part of a criminal investigation of possible mistreatment 120 00:11:16,750 --> 00:11:19,330 of boys by All Saints Brothers at St. Vincent. 121 00:11:20,530 --> 00:11:24,630 Peter John Lavin, the former superintendent, pleaded not guilty on 122 00:11:24,630 --> 00:11:26,970 all seven counts of sexual and physical assault. 123 00:11:27,410 --> 00:11:31,310 One of the deepening mysteries of the case is why no charges were laid at the 124 00:11:31,310 --> 00:11:32,690 time of the original investigation. 125 00:11:33,350 --> 00:11:37,310 A preliminary inquiry is the next step in the legal proceedings. When the Crown 126 00:11:37,310 --> 00:11:40,970 will introduce evidence, it hopes to convince the presiding judge to send the 127 00:11:40,970 --> 00:11:41,970 case forward. 128 00:11:46,700 --> 00:11:47,700 It's open! 129 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:55,720 It's open! 130 00:12:18,570 --> 00:12:19,590 You want to tell me about it? 131 00:12:26,230 --> 00:12:27,230 Hello, Kevin. 132 00:12:29,090 --> 00:12:30,090 How you doing? 133 00:12:31,210 --> 00:12:32,210 Best kind, Detective. 134 00:12:33,470 --> 00:12:34,470 Best kind. 135 00:12:41,830 --> 00:12:44,210 I heard about you not wanting to take the stand. 136 00:12:44,830 --> 00:12:45,830 You heard right. 137 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:50,740 Look, I got nothing to say to you. 138 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,760 Listen, Kevin, you're not going to get another chance. 139 00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:01,220 If you don't testify and Lavin walks now, he can't ever be charged again. 140 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:04,840 Think about it. 141 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:06,160 Think about it? 142 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:09,040 You want to know what I've been thinking about? 143 00:13:10,220 --> 00:13:13,600 I've been thinking, how could a big man, a big detective, do that to a little 144 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:14,600 kid? 145 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:17,820 You said you'd come back to see me. 146 00:13:18,420 --> 00:13:19,399 I did. 147 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:20,400 Yeah, right. 148 00:13:21,180 --> 00:13:22,180 I'm telling you, I did. 149 00:13:22,620 --> 00:13:24,020 You'd already gone to live with your uncle. 150 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:25,360 I haven't got an uncle. 151 00:13:26,780 --> 00:13:27,820 Well, that's what I was told. 152 00:13:29,220 --> 00:13:30,220 Who told you that? 153 00:13:31,260 --> 00:13:32,260 One of the brothers. 154 00:13:35,060 --> 00:13:36,060 And you believed him? 155 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,540 I was in there till I was 16, for Christ's sake. 156 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:55,380 Now, Mr. Noseworthy, that is the signature of Kevin Revy, is it not? 157 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:59,680 Yes, sir. It was signed in my presence, as you can tell from the signature 158 00:13:59,680 --> 00:14:03,220 underneath. Would you read that statement, please? The passage marked 159 00:14:03,220 --> 00:14:04,220 out at the bottom. 160 00:14:04,620 --> 00:14:06,480 He would make me sit on his lap. 161 00:14:06,740 --> 00:14:10,780 Sometimes he would take off my shirt, and sometimes he would take off all my 162 00:14:10,780 --> 00:14:14,320 clothes. And he would be kissing me and rubbing my private parts. 163 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,380 The man who did these things to me is Brother Lab. 164 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:19,760 No more questions, my lord. 165 00:14:23,980 --> 00:14:30,440 Now, these witness statements are 15 years old. Is that correct? 166 00:14:30,740 --> 00:14:31,740 That's right. 167 00:14:32,820 --> 00:14:36,040 Now, in this case, was an arrest ever made? 168 00:14:36,660 --> 00:14:39,380 No, but it should have. But it didn't. 169 00:14:40,780 --> 00:14:46,040 Your Lordship, no charges were laid when this complaint was first made. 170 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,760 The criminal justice system, in its wisdom... 171 00:14:50,030 --> 00:14:52,890 presumably determined that there was not enough evidence. 172 00:14:53,110 --> 00:14:58,650 And what kind of criminal justice system is it that tells a police officer that 173 00:14:58,650 --> 00:15:01,590 Dr. Evidence... Now, what do you mean by Dr. 174 00:15:01,870 --> 00:15:02,870 Evidence? 175 00:15:03,650 --> 00:15:08,510 The chief told me to rewrite my report, taking out all references to sexual 176 00:15:08,510 --> 00:15:11,510 matters so that there could be no grounds for charges. 177 00:15:12,290 --> 00:15:15,070 He said that the orders came from the Justice Department. 178 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,580 I said that a bunch of criminal politicians and high church officials 179 00:15:23,580 --> 00:15:25,540 conspired to kill the proper course of justice. 180 00:15:26,140 --> 00:15:27,540 And why speak of it only now? 181 00:15:28,060 --> 00:15:31,620 I was told I'd be fired, charged under the Police Act if I said anything. 182 00:15:31,900 --> 00:15:35,320 You're saying there's not only evidence of criminal activity by the brothers, 183 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:36,960 but there was also a cover-up as well? 184 00:15:37,420 --> 00:15:39,000 That's exactly right, and you just watch. 185 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:41,560 They're going after the brothers now, and don't get me wrong. 186 00:15:42,140 --> 00:15:43,780 They should be brought to trial for what they've done. 187 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:45,700 But what about the big shots, huh? 188 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:47,400 You just watch. 189 00:15:47,870 --> 00:15:49,270 They'll weasel out of it somehow. 190 00:15:49,650 --> 00:15:50,650 Who are these people? 191 00:15:54,470 --> 00:16:01,050 Is it possible, callers? Is it 192 00:16:01,050 --> 00:16:05,090 possible that police and government officials, maybe even government 193 00:16:05,090 --> 00:16:09,310 ministers, knew about the dark deeds of the orphanage and covered them up? 194 00:16:10,010 --> 00:16:13,650 Well, now there's a royal commission starting up. Public hearings about to 195 00:16:13,650 --> 00:16:17,050 take place. Will they get to the bottom of it? What do you think, callers? 196 00:16:20,620 --> 00:16:25,120 The boys were in fact wards of the state, placed in the care of the 197 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,420 brothers at the orphanage by your department, is that correct? 198 00:16:27,940 --> 00:16:30,440 Yes. And what was your responsibility? 199 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:36,780 I was the social worker responsible for virtually all contact between the 200 00:16:36,780 --> 00:16:39,700 department and the orphanage. And how often did you visit the boys? 201 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:42,840 Never. 202 00:16:43,860 --> 00:16:48,560 It was made clear to me that St. Vincent was not to be interfered with in any 203 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:49,560 way. 204 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:51,540 Who made this clear to you? 205 00:16:53,260 --> 00:16:54,800 It came from the director's office. 206 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:57,040 I see. 207 00:17:18,829 --> 00:17:19,829 I want to go check in, okay? 208 00:17:22,470 --> 00:17:23,470 Hi. 209 00:17:25,630 --> 00:17:27,550 First time in Newfoundland, sir? Uh, no. 210 00:17:28,670 --> 00:17:29,670 You're here on business, then? 211 00:17:30,650 --> 00:17:31,649 Yeah, a bit of that. 212 00:17:31,650 --> 00:17:34,210 A lot of pleasure, too, I hope, though. He comes at the right place for that, 213 00:17:34,250 --> 00:17:39,030 sir. Uh, speaking of which, you get much in the way of, uh, snow here? You know 214 00:17:39,030 --> 00:17:41,430 what I mean? Well, if there's one thing you can't bring to Newfoundland, sir, is 215 00:17:41,430 --> 00:17:44,870 you can fit nothing about the weather. No, no, no, no, no. Snow. Uh, crystal 216 00:17:44,870 --> 00:17:46,410 snow. You know what I mean? 217 00:17:46,890 --> 00:17:50,030 Well, in the last month, sir, by the shovelful, if I know what you mean. 218 00:17:50,370 --> 00:17:51,430 By the shovelful, okay. 219 00:17:51,750 --> 00:17:52,790 Indeed it did, sir. 220 00:17:53,190 --> 00:17:54,650 Uh, what's left? 221 00:17:55,230 --> 00:17:56,430 All kinds of it. 222 00:18:03,330 --> 00:18:04,330 Ryan! 223 00:18:12,070 --> 00:18:13,070 Jesus Christ. 224 00:18:13,730 --> 00:18:14,990 Good to see you, man. 225 00:18:15,610 --> 00:18:16,610 You hungry? 226 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,520 Have anything you want. Waiter, bring that champagne. Got some celebrating to 227 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:20,520 do. Me and bro here. 228 00:18:20,580 --> 00:18:22,360 Sit down, for Christ's sake. So, how you been? 229 00:18:23,460 --> 00:18:24,319 Married and kids. 230 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:27,040 Yeah. I got to meet the wife and thought we should, you know, see each other 231 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:31,060 first and, you know. So, how you been? You hungry? 232 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:32,900 Waiter, bring this man a menu. 233 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:34,560 Some place, huh? 234 00:18:34,620 --> 00:18:35,620 Yeah. 235 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:37,100 Jesus Christ, you're looking good. 236 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:38,440 So, you're losing it, are you? 237 00:18:40,860 --> 00:18:41,860 What are you doing here? 238 00:18:42,540 --> 00:18:43,540 Spending the millions. 239 00:18:43,870 --> 00:18:46,210 Nah, just trying to score some dope. Got any ganja yet, waiter? 240 00:18:48,190 --> 00:18:49,190 Thank you, John Lee. 241 00:18:51,930 --> 00:18:52,930 Full time, son. 242 00:18:59,850 --> 00:19:00,850 Craig. 243 00:19:01,470 --> 00:19:02,470 Finally got a nose hit. 244 00:19:06,130 --> 00:19:07,510 Really, though, what are you doing here? 245 00:19:08,030 --> 00:19:11,830 By the cops. They, uh... Made me an offer I couldn't refuse, you know? Yeah, 246 00:19:11,870 --> 00:19:15,190 free trip, nice hotel, see me old brother, take a stand, tell about 247 00:19:15,190 --> 00:19:16,190 Glackin. 248 00:19:18,650 --> 00:19:19,990 I did try and find you, you know? 249 00:19:20,430 --> 00:19:21,770 You did, eh? When was that? 250 00:19:21,970 --> 00:19:23,870 I was in that goddamn place a few years waiting for you. 251 00:19:29,190 --> 00:19:30,290 Can't wait to go to Toronto. 252 00:19:30,590 --> 00:19:32,970 You're too excited yet, boy. It's gonna take a while, you know? 253 00:19:33,390 --> 00:19:36,350 Yeah, I know. But I'm going sometime, right? What do you think? I'm gonna 254 00:19:36,350 --> 00:19:37,610 leave you in this goddamn place? 255 00:19:37,950 --> 00:19:38,950 No way. 256 00:19:39,050 --> 00:19:40,930 As soon as I get straightened away, you're gone. 257 00:19:42,130 --> 00:19:43,130 You'll be all right. 258 00:19:43,590 --> 00:19:44,790 Just stay away from it, that's all. 259 00:19:47,190 --> 00:19:48,190 Forget it, Ray. 260 00:19:49,470 --> 00:19:50,670 What do you want? Waiter, where's that menu? 261 00:19:51,490 --> 00:19:54,430 No, it's all right, I... Well, cigar, have a cigar. No, I don't smoke. 262 00:19:55,250 --> 00:19:56,290 Jesus, the clean life, huh? 263 00:19:56,990 --> 00:19:58,270 So, where do you live, out in the suburbs? 264 00:19:58,670 --> 00:19:59,970 I guess you could call it that, yeah. 265 00:20:00,570 --> 00:20:03,270 Well, you got pictures of the wife and kids? Yeah, yeah. Oh, let me see. 266 00:20:03,790 --> 00:20:04,790 So, what have I got? 267 00:20:04,950 --> 00:20:06,910 Nephews, nieces? No, no, no, don't tell me. Let me see the pictures. 268 00:20:07,950 --> 00:20:09,870 The kids there. Ah, that's great. 269 00:20:10,370 --> 00:20:11,510 There's Donna in that one. 270 00:20:12,550 --> 00:20:13,550 Family, huh? 271 00:20:13,890 --> 00:20:14,890 That's great. 272 00:20:16,330 --> 00:20:20,490 The records show that complaints of physical and sexual abuse at the 273 00:20:20,490 --> 00:20:22,470 orphanage were sent to your office. 274 00:20:23,150 --> 00:20:24,290 Can you confirm that? 275 00:20:24,790 --> 00:20:27,870 Well, yes. 276 00:20:28,890 --> 00:20:30,350 Did you act upon these complaints? 277 00:20:31,410 --> 00:20:32,750 Yes, as a matter of fact, I did. 278 00:20:33,790 --> 00:20:36,590 Can you tell the commission what action was taken by your department? 279 00:20:39,820 --> 00:20:43,200 I believe I asked Mother Laban to investigate and to report back to me. 280 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:44,440 Now, hold it. 281 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,500 You were the legal guardian of these boys. 282 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:48,920 Is that correct? 283 00:20:49,300 --> 00:20:52,160 Well... Yes. 284 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:57,160 And you're telling this commission that as their guardian, with a sworn duty to 285 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:03,940 look after their welfare, you asked one of the alleged abusers to investigate a 286 00:21:03,940 --> 00:21:05,480 crime he may have himself committed? 287 00:21:06,860 --> 00:21:07,860 Well, it's not that... 288 00:21:08,380 --> 00:21:11,820 It might look like that in retrospect, but at the time it seemed the 289 00:21:11,820 --> 00:21:12,820 appropriate thing to do. 290 00:21:16,100 --> 00:21:18,700 Announcing the arrival of Flight 322. 291 00:21:19,060 --> 00:21:22,840 How is your family taking out of this? Are they bearing up? 292 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:25,340 Find out when I get there, Warner. 293 00:21:27,360 --> 00:21:30,080 I would like to put your wife on the stand as a character witness. 294 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:33,200 Absolutely not. 295 00:21:34,300 --> 00:21:36,740 I will not have my family dragged into this. 296 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:45,360 I can tell you that it is in your best interest to have people testify as to 297 00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:49,420 the strength of your character, your psychological stability. 298 00:21:49,900 --> 00:21:52,060 He said no, didn't he? 299 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,620 Well, then, can I put you in touch with a psychiatrist? 300 00:22:00,100 --> 00:22:01,100 What for? 301 00:22:02,260 --> 00:22:06,660 To be able to bring in an expert witness who can say that you have... 302 00:22:07,150 --> 00:22:08,210 Undergone testing? 303 00:22:09,090 --> 00:22:12,350 To speak to the court about your psychological makeup? 304 00:22:14,710 --> 00:22:21,250 You want someone to tell the judge that child molesters are type A, and that I'm 305 00:22:21,250 --> 00:22:22,930 type B, something like that? 306 00:22:24,050 --> 00:22:25,470 Something like that. 307 00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:31,710 Someone to probe my innermost thoughts. 308 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:42,840 Arrange for sessions to begin when you're home. 309 00:22:44,360 --> 00:22:45,360 Whatever. 310 00:23:00,220 --> 00:23:01,220 Hey, 311 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,800 guys! 312 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:05,720 How are you? 313 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:17,380 I don't ever see you again. 314 00:23:26,900 --> 00:23:27,900 I'm sorry. 315 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,000 It's going to be a bit. 316 00:23:33,860 --> 00:23:38,220 How about some chips? 317 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,180 Let's help Daddy now. 318 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,440 There's stuff in the suitcase for both of you. Both have your names on it, so 319 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:48,440 don't argue, okay? 320 00:24:52,780 --> 00:24:53,780 Easy, isn't it? 321 00:24:54,340 --> 00:24:55,840 Kevin Weaving. You're Kevin Weaving, right? 322 00:24:56,780 --> 00:24:57,780 Len Martin. 323 00:24:57,820 --> 00:24:58,679 Black and Storm. 324 00:24:58,680 --> 00:24:59,639 You remember? 325 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:00,640 Yeah, I remember. 326 00:25:01,460 --> 00:25:02,580 Can I have four beer, please? 327 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,580 They brought me back to go over my statements. 328 00:25:07,700 --> 00:25:09,100 We're going to nail that black guy. 329 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,600 Saw a few of the boys. They were talking about you. 330 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:14,880 Not yet. 331 00:25:15,140 --> 00:25:16,140 Not much. 332 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,040 Working down in Texas, making a shitload of money. 333 00:25:27,140 --> 00:25:29,960 I bet you've had a few juicy stories to tell, Kevin, boy. 334 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,660 From what I remember, you were getting it almost every day from laughing. 335 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,040 You were his little boy. 336 00:25:54,700 --> 00:25:55,700 Kevin. 337 00:26:05,820 --> 00:26:07,840 You were in St. Vincent, weren't you? 338 00:26:12,420 --> 00:26:14,400 He said you were Levin's boy. 339 00:26:18,090 --> 00:26:19,090 Come on, Kevin. 340 00:26:20,130 --> 00:26:22,570 It's all over the news. I mean, I know who Lavin is. 341 00:26:29,010 --> 00:26:30,970 Maybe it's better if we didn't see each other for a while. 342 00:26:33,010 --> 00:26:34,010 What? 343 00:26:34,810 --> 00:26:35,890 Take care of yourself, okay? 344 00:27:09,150 --> 00:27:11,550 Let's start by talking about yourself. 345 00:27:14,330 --> 00:27:18,950 Any particular aspect of myself you want to hear about? 346 00:27:19,490 --> 00:27:21,130 Yeah. Yeah. 347 00:27:21,610 --> 00:27:25,970 Well, I'll tell you my purpose. I don't want you to feel that I'm pulling you 348 00:27:25,970 --> 00:27:27,510 anywhere where you don't want to go. 349 00:27:27,790 --> 00:27:33,610 Okay? Pull me where you like. I think what's happening to you now has a 350 00:27:33,610 --> 00:27:34,610 certain meaning. 351 00:27:35,710 --> 00:27:37,030 And we might... 352 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:43,560 Get into that meaning if we can put this present experience in the total 353 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:50,520 perspective of your life I didn't I 354 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:56,020 Don't know my natural parents for one thing I 355 00:27:56,020 --> 00:28:01,920 Was raised in a series of foster homes three between the ages of 356 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,180 Three and nine 357 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,080 And you never had any other type of home? 358 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,580 No, I went to the orphanage after the foster home, but no, I didn't have any 359 00:28:14,580 --> 00:28:15,820 other type of home, no. 360 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,420 I don't think it was damaging to me. I don't feel I was damaged by that. It 361 00:28:20,420 --> 00:28:21,660 certainly made me a stronger person. 362 00:28:21,980 --> 00:28:27,240 I didn't have the benefits or the blanketing privileges of some of the 363 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,260 kids that I was in the homes with. 364 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:35,560 I mean, they grew up to be quite soft and needy. 365 00:28:35,930 --> 00:28:37,370 And you grew to be hard. 366 00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:42,410 No, I grew to understand life as it is. 367 00:28:43,610 --> 00:28:44,710 As a real situation. 368 00:28:45,390 --> 00:28:47,190 Not something that you fantasize about. 369 00:28:54,890 --> 00:28:58,890 And you go to church after what they done to us. 370 00:29:00,570 --> 00:29:03,110 I went back. 371 00:29:05,130 --> 00:29:06,470 After I started going out with Donna. 372 00:29:08,570 --> 00:29:09,590 You should have seen me. 373 00:29:11,130 --> 00:29:13,650 First time I've been inside a church since I left the orphanage. 374 00:29:15,390 --> 00:29:16,390 I'm sitting there, right? 375 00:29:16,910 --> 00:29:18,490 And there's this priest up front. 376 00:29:19,610 --> 00:29:22,510 And he's talking about that part of the Lord's Prayer, you know, forgive us our 377 00:29:22,510 --> 00:29:26,250 trespasses as we forgive them that trespass against us. No friggin' way, 378 00:29:26,370 --> 00:29:29,370 Brian. That's exactly what I said. Forgive them bastards, no way. 379 00:29:30,270 --> 00:29:33,370 I stood right up and I walked out of that church. I thought I was going to 380 00:29:33,370 --> 00:29:34,370 puke. 381 00:29:35,020 --> 00:29:38,220 I was just filled with this rage. 382 00:29:39,820 --> 00:29:41,100 Just wanted to kill one of them. 383 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,180 Nothing too bad or too painful for the brothers, if you ask me. 384 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:47,520 I know it. 385 00:29:48,580 --> 00:29:52,480 Then I started to think, what would I do if I met one of them? 386 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:54,520 Glint, say, or laugh at me. 387 00:29:55,380 --> 00:29:56,760 Absolutely. I'd kill him. 388 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,000 I'd kill him. 389 00:29:58,460 --> 00:29:59,460 No question. 390 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,760 So then I went back to church to try and patch things up with Don, and there's 391 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,380 all this stuff about forgiveness again. 392 00:30:11,380 --> 00:30:15,220 And I thought, well, maybe I could forgive him. 393 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:18,220 They were all dead. 394 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:23,160 Exactly, boy. 395 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:30,940 Now I forgive you, you son of a bitch! 396 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,940 But if I couldn't forgive him, then I knew I had to live with this rage. 397 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,040 I just couldn't do that. 398 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,020 I guess I started to see what they were talking about. 399 00:30:59,380 --> 00:31:02,840 I don't hate him anymore. 400 00:31:09,740 --> 00:31:10,740 Forgive and forget, huh? 401 00:31:15,340 --> 00:31:16,340 No way, buddy. 402 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:27,640 The trial of brother James Glackin got off to a sensational start today with 403 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,540 the testimony of a young man who told about visits made to his bed at night by 404 00:31:31,540 --> 00:31:33,000 the brother in charge of his dorm. 405 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,700 Along the way to trial of Peter John Lavin, the man who was in charge when 406 00:31:37,700 --> 00:31:40,710 the offenses were alleged to have occurred, We'll be next on the docket. 407 00:31:41,010 --> 00:31:44,930 At police headquarters, two more former brothers were arrested and charged 408 00:31:44,930 --> 00:31:47,150 with... ...talking boys. 409 00:31:47,730 --> 00:31:49,690 You'll see! I hate you! 410 00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:53,030 ...were former members who were being charged. 411 00:31:53,470 --> 00:31:55,630 Police say the investigation is continuing. 412 00:32:05,210 --> 00:32:06,210 Peter. 413 00:32:06,590 --> 00:32:07,970 I'd like to be in my office. 414 00:32:12,190 --> 00:32:13,230 So... What? 415 00:32:16,750 --> 00:32:17,750 Catherine? 416 00:32:18,250 --> 00:32:21,790 I'm going to need everything on hand for this afternoon. I'm going to need the 417 00:32:21,790 --> 00:32:25,310 current proposal, former proposals, the whole thing. 418 00:32:25,930 --> 00:32:26,930 It's only temporary. 419 00:32:27,610 --> 00:32:28,970 Until all this is settled. 420 00:32:31,070 --> 00:32:32,070 Look. 421 00:32:33,130 --> 00:32:37,310 It was my expertise that got us this contract in the first place. I'm the one 422 00:32:37,310 --> 00:32:40,670 who's given up family hours to dovetail the needs of the school board with the 423 00:32:40,670 --> 00:32:42,010 needs of the planning commission. 424 00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:45,190 Peter. I am the one who got the bloody ball rolling in the first place. 425 00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:46,830 Enough. 426 00:32:50,130 --> 00:32:51,130 You were suspended. 427 00:32:52,090 --> 00:32:53,110 As of this minute. 428 00:32:55,790 --> 00:32:58,870 Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? 429 00:33:04,300 --> 00:33:07,220 Why the hell I'm in the position I'm in, I don't know. 430 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:17,580 Let me explain something to you. 431 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:25,120 In the orphanage, both as a kid and an All Saints brother, the day started 432 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:26,120 early in the morning. 433 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,200 You had something to do every minute of the day until you went to sleep. 434 00:33:31,100 --> 00:33:33,220 As a kid, you had an hour off or so to... 435 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,660 Spent some time in the library, watched some television, played some pool. 436 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:38,800 When you got older, you got to play pool. 437 00:33:39,860 --> 00:33:44,160 As an All Saints brother, your day started two hours before and ended two 438 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:45,160 hours later. 439 00:33:46,260 --> 00:33:48,020 And everything you did was for the kids. 440 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:50,400 I mean everything. 441 00:33:52,140 --> 00:33:55,080 Fundraising, coaching, teaching. 442 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,500 Is it okay for me to say you love these kids? 443 00:34:02,990 --> 00:34:04,490 Does that describe what you felt? 444 00:34:05,910 --> 00:34:06,910 Yeah. 445 00:34:08,469 --> 00:34:09,469 Yeah. 446 00:34:13,929 --> 00:34:14,929 So you like that stuff? 447 00:34:15,150 --> 00:34:16,530 Yeah. That's pretty cool, huh? 448 00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:18,969 Yep. What do you think? You think your dad would let you wear that? 449 00:34:19,170 --> 00:34:20,170 Wear that to church? 450 00:34:20,370 --> 00:34:21,370 Maybe. 451 00:34:21,850 --> 00:34:23,389 I somehow don't think so. 452 00:34:24,530 --> 00:34:25,530 Okay, Billy. 453 00:34:26,409 --> 00:34:27,409 This is what you gotta do. 454 00:34:28,690 --> 00:34:29,989 You go up for your first communion. 455 00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:34,010 Instead of going back, I'm sitting down with your parents again. What you've got 456 00:34:34,010 --> 00:34:37,510 to do is you've got to sneak back in line again and get it a second time. 457 00:34:38,090 --> 00:34:39,089 That's what I did. 458 00:34:39,090 --> 00:34:42,350 And I dare you. Nope, no kidding. That's what I did. Swear to God. 459 00:34:42,889 --> 00:34:45,830 Okay? This is what I did. I didn't dare you to do this. Okay? 460 00:34:46,810 --> 00:34:47,549 All right? 461 00:34:47,550 --> 00:34:48,550 Think you can handle it? 462 00:34:48,670 --> 00:34:50,630 Yeah. Yeah? What do you think your folks will say about that? 463 00:34:51,130 --> 00:34:52,130 I don't know. 464 00:34:53,630 --> 00:34:54,650 Okay, time to go. 465 00:34:55,050 --> 00:34:56,049 No, it's not. 466 00:34:56,050 --> 00:34:57,050 I think it might be. 467 00:34:59,090 --> 00:35:00,090 What do you think? 468 00:35:01,870 --> 00:35:04,290 They're looking a lot cooler now, aren't they? Nice shirt. 469 00:35:04,510 --> 00:35:05,510 Thank you much. 470 00:35:05,650 --> 00:35:06,990 Yeah, pretty cool. Come on. 471 00:35:07,570 --> 00:35:08,570 Put your shirt in. 472 00:35:08,730 --> 00:35:11,230 All right, Billy. Remember what I said. 473 00:35:14,990 --> 00:35:15,990 There's my what? 474 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,540 Did you know he was kind to you? 475 00:35:49,220 --> 00:35:50,220 Yes. 476 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:08,880 Good boy. 477 00:36:12,540 --> 00:36:17,460 In 1975, you were the Minister of Social Services. Is that correct? 478 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:18,960 That's correct. 479 00:36:18,980 --> 00:36:21,920 Now, we've heard a lot of testimony about reports from within your own 480 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:22,920 department. 481 00:36:23,660 --> 00:36:26,180 Can you tell me what your knowledge of these events is? 482 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,040 I'm afraid I can't tell you anything. 483 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:34,280 The first I heard of it was when the thing hit the papers this past year. 484 00:36:35,950 --> 00:36:37,770 You never heard about the police investigation? 485 00:36:38,950 --> 00:36:39,950 Never. 486 00:36:40,130 --> 00:36:43,910 You never heard about complaints from within your own department? 487 00:36:45,150 --> 00:36:46,150 Never. 488 00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:51,830 Were you aware that most of the boys in the orphanage were placed there by 489 00:36:51,830 --> 00:36:53,070 officials from your own department? 490 00:36:53,370 --> 00:36:54,690 Of course I knew that. 491 00:36:55,090 --> 00:36:57,850 But as far as I knew, the boys were lucky to be there. 492 00:36:58,690 --> 00:37:01,150 I thought the brothers were doing a fine job. 493 00:37:02,670 --> 00:37:04,430 Did you ever discuss this with the Premier? 494 00:37:05,260 --> 00:37:07,280 How could I? I told you. 495 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,000 I never heard anything. 496 00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:18,720 It's open! 497 00:37:55,630 --> 00:37:56,650 I missed you, you know? 498 00:37:58,510 --> 00:37:59,510 Missed you too. 499 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:06,200 You want to go to bed? 500 00:40:06,700 --> 00:40:07,980 Yes, you can go to bed with me. 501 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,600 Get a good night's sleep, okay? 502 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:39,680 And you, get a good night's sleep, okay? 503 00:40:42,820 --> 00:40:47,640 And in the morning, this family's gonna go play some hockey. 504 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:49,320 Yeah. Yeah? 505 00:41:04,110 --> 00:41:05,270 The kids come home crying. 506 00:41:06,450 --> 00:41:08,470 Things are being said to them in school. 507 00:41:10,450 --> 00:41:11,450 What things? 508 00:41:11,930 --> 00:41:13,030 What do you think? 509 00:41:23,290 --> 00:41:27,250 I don't know what to think anymore. 510 00:41:28,170 --> 00:41:30,190 You never talked about your friend. 511 00:41:39,980 --> 00:41:44,880 It was a nightmare, Chantal. There were false accusations then. There are false 512 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,440 accusations now. That's why I left the Order. 513 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,020 You left because of accusations? 514 00:41:55,300 --> 00:42:02,140 But... You told me you left because 515 00:42:02,140 --> 00:42:04,720 you could no longer maintain your vows. 516 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:06,440 That's right. 517 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:15,000 He said, I can no longer maintain the vow of obedience to simply, humbly, and 518 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,600 joyfully obey. 519 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,840 But there was something wrong going on while you were in charge. 520 00:42:39,020 --> 00:42:40,740 Because I was the superintendent. 521 00:42:44,460 --> 00:42:48,000 Some blame fell on me. They said I should have known. 522 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:21,200 My wife, right? 523 00:43:25,240 --> 00:43:31,080 In good times and in bad, remember? 524 00:45:14,910 --> 00:45:17,250 Describe me very minutely. 525 00:45:17,810 --> 00:45:22,850 How was she to you when you first met her or the first times you met her? 526 00:45:24,350 --> 00:45:28,690 And just describe how you feel. 527 00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:33,230 Safe. 528 00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:34,750 Safe. 529 00:45:35,310 --> 00:45:36,310 Yeah. 530 00:45:37,690 --> 00:45:40,950 She made me feel, I think, safe. 531 00:45:44,940 --> 00:45:46,440 Yeah, there was a trust. 532 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:52,240 There was a response to me, you know. 533 00:45:56,700 --> 00:46:00,900 There was a romance, you know, kind of like... 534 00:46:00,900 --> 00:46:05,260 And, well, 535 00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:07,820 one thing led to another and... 536 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:31,680 And then a year after we got married, we decided to have children. 537 00:46:32,140 --> 00:46:35,040 So we had children. We had two children right away. 538 00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,860 Antoine was the first and Eric was the second. 539 00:46:42,380 --> 00:46:49,100 And it was an incredible thing having my own child, you know, because I had never 540 00:46:49,100 --> 00:46:50,100 had. 541 00:46:56,720 --> 00:46:57,720 natural parents, you know. 542 00:46:59,060 --> 00:47:03,980 And there was these two things that were mine, you know. 543 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:12,680 And they were just open and... 544 00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:19,480 So I wanted to give 545 00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:25,460 them, you know, what... What... 546 00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:27,280 you know I missed. 547 00:48:19,370 --> 00:48:20,370 You boiling up? 548 00:48:20,470 --> 00:48:21,470 Yeah. 549 00:48:27,910 --> 00:48:28,910 Go ahead, 550 00:48:30,310 --> 00:48:31,310 man. 551 00:48:32,850 --> 00:48:33,890 Are we getting up or something? 552 00:48:35,450 --> 00:48:40,330 I thought maybe you might want to come over to the house. 553 00:48:41,210 --> 00:48:45,510 No. I was making up some spaghetti with the rest of the game, you know. Have a 554 00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:46,510 few beer? 555 00:48:47,070 --> 00:48:48,070 No, I'm supposed to go. 556 00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:55,120 Yeah, I guess you don't need beer, do you? 557 00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:57,360 No, beer's good. 558 00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,560 There's a bar right there if you want some. No, that's okay. 559 00:49:00,860 --> 00:49:07,040 It goes on the bill if you want some. 560 00:49:07,460 --> 00:49:08,460 I'm just going out. 561 00:49:10,020 --> 00:49:11,020 You're going out, right? 562 00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:12,720 Yep, I'm going out. 563 00:49:13,180 --> 00:49:14,180 All right. 564 00:49:16,620 --> 00:49:17,640 Where do you think you're going to go? 565 00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:21,240 You know, see some people. 566 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:23,500 I've got some people, you know. 567 00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,100 So I'm, you know, 568 00:49:28,380 --> 00:49:29,380 I'm going to go. 569 00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:32,880 Some of your old buddies? 570 00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:39,720 Yeah, I just know there's some people I have to go and they've got some stuff 571 00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:40,359 for me. 572 00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:41,360 Oh, I see. 573 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:43,800 What's this shit here? 574 00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,620 Oh, that's just some stuff. Oh, that's good. That's just some stuff. 575 00:49:47,380 --> 00:49:48,780 That's some stuff I got. Yeah. 576 00:49:49,220 --> 00:49:50,220 It's, you know, it's hard. 577 00:49:50,460 --> 00:49:51,460 It's really hard. 578 00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,020 What's hard? You know, it's hard. 579 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:54,280 It's hard stuff. 580 00:49:54,900 --> 00:49:56,520 And it's good. 581 00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,380 It's good. It's good. It's hard. It's good. It's hard. It's hard stuff. 582 00:50:01,780 --> 00:50:05,000 I've got to go, Alan. I really have to get outside. 583 00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,280 You know? Well, you know, maybe we can go for a walk later or something. 584 00:50:08,740 --> 00:50:10,320 I'll take you out in the car. We'll go for a drive. 585 00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,480 You've got it. Come over to the house. You've got it. You've got it. You've got 586 00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:14,480 it. Right now. 587 00:50:14,620 --> 00:50:15,620 Right now. No. 588 00:50:16,620 --> 00:50:18,140 He's looking after me again. 589 00:50:21,900 --> 00:50:23,520 I love you, man. I love you, too. 590 00:50:26,260 --> 00:50:32,840 You're not going out. You're not going nowhere. 591 00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:37,860 You're not... All right, go on, then. See if I care. 592 00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,560 Go buy some more dope on Water Street, like the rest of the boy. 593 00:51:00,430 --> 00:51:01,430 No, it's me. 594 00:51:02,350 --> 00:51:04,990 No, I came by and he's gone out somewhere. 595 00:51:06,450 --> 00:51:07,610 No, I don't know. I don't know where. 596 00:51:09,570 --> 00:51:10,930 All right, I'm just coming home. 597 00:51:11,810 --> 00:51:12,810 I'll see you. 598 00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:21,090 Now, Chief Kennedy, did you meet with Monsignor Foucault concerning this 599 00:51:21,090 --> 00:51:22,090 matter? 600 00:51:23,850 --> 00:51:24,850 Concerning this matter? 601 00:51:27,430 --> 00:51:29,150 No, I don't think so. 602 00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:31,160 Well, I can't be sure now. 603 00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:39,560 I've had some trouble with my memory, particularly around that period of time 604 00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:40,980 since my operation. 605 00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:44,120 Pardon me? 606 00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,940 Well, you see, ma'am, I had an operation a few years back. 607 00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:49,640 A prostate operation. 608 00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,140 I've had trouble with my memory ever since. 609 00:52:00,060 --> 00:52:05,540 What about ordering former detective Noseworthy to alter a police report by 610 00:52:05,540 --> 00:52:06,760 removing sexual references? 611 00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:12,800 No, ma'am, not that I can recall. 612 00:52:14,140 --> 00:52:19,020 Well, it does seem unbelievable, doesn't it, callers, that a man who willfully 613 00:52:19,020 --> 00:52:24,580 let child molesters go free, a man who by his own admission is suffering from 614 00:52:24,580 --> 00:52:26,820 severe brain damage, was once... 615 00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,820 the person who ran the police department in this town. 616 00:52:30,500 --> 00:52:35,200 Here he is. He claims to have had an operation, and now he can't remember a 617 00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:36,200 thing. 618 00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:37,520 Boy, oh, boy. 619 00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:39,120 Do you believe him? 620 00:52:39,340 --> 00:52:41,020 Give us a call. Let us know how you feel. 621 00:52:41,620 --> 00:52:44,940 We got somebody on the air. We got somebody on line two. Go ahead, line 622 00:52:44,940 --> 00:52:45,940 two. You're on the air. 623 00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,060 I certainly don't believe him, Lenora. They're all lying. 624 00:52:49,260 --> 00:52:51,200 Why, look at these high, holy brothers. 625 00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:52,640 They all say they're not guilty. 626 00:52:53,340 --> 00:52:55,120 That's true. You know what I think, Lenora? 627 00:52:55,770 --> 00:52:58,890 Uh, no, but I got a feeling you're going to tell me. Beck, Lenora, Beck. 628 00:52:59,310 --> 00:53:02,430 That's what it's all about. The church won't allow him to have sex. 629 00:53:02,850 --> 00:53:06,550 Now, you take a bunch of priests and you lock them away with these young boys, 630 00:53:06,670 --> 00:53:08,790 well, what do you expect is going to happen, huh? 631 00:53:09,210 --> 00:53:12,830 Well, you certainly have strong views on it, caller, and thanks very much for 632 00:53:12,830 --> 00:53:13,830 sharing them with us. 633 00:53:15,630 --> 00:53:18,510 And I've been celibate up to this point. 634 00:53:19,630 --> 00:53:21,610 Sex was terrifying for me. 635 00:53:25,100 --> 00:53:28,320 Which is one of the reasons I went to the All Saints Brothers as well. You 636 00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,420 know, I just didn't have to deal with it. 637 00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:36,680 What was in the way? 638 00:53:42,620 --> 00:53:43,620 Fear. 639 00:53:45,540 --> 00:53:46,660 Okay. Fear of? 640 00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:52,400 I don't know. Fear of loving. I don't know. 641 00:54:02,030 --> 00:54:06,050 From where you are, inside, what do you feel now? 642 00:54:07,370 --> 00:54:08,370 I feel like hell. 643 00:54:12,350 --> 00:54:13,350 I had a family. 644 00:54:16,310 --> 00:54:17,650 Now I have a bunch of enemies. 645 00:54:33,190 --> 00:54:33,948 What's wrong? 646 00:54:33,950 --> 00:54:35,010 I got in a fight. 647 00:54:35,850 --> 00:54:36,850 You got in a fight? 648 00:54:37,150 --> 00:54:38,150 A leg hurt. 649 00:54:38,730 --> 00:54:39,730 Oh, yeah? 650 00:54:41,010 --> 00:54:42,730 Well, hold on now. 651 00:54:45,210 --> 00:54:46,770 Have you got any broken bones? 652 00:54:47,150 --> 00:54:48,210 No. No, wait. 653 00:54:49,770 --> 00:54:51,850 Well, I'm going your way. Do you want a ride home? 654 00:54:52,810 --> 00:54:54,150 Okay. Okay. 655 00:55:39,690 --> 00:55:41,070 I wanted to hold him. 656 00:55:43,830 --> 00:55:49,270 His neck looked so soft, so young 657 00:55:49,270 --> 00:55:52,590 and perfect. 658 00:55:57,010 --> 00:56:02,850 I felt aroused, Father, alive in my groin. 659 00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,680 I wanted to feel his warmth and tenderness. 660 00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,460 I wanted to feel the rush of release. 661 00:56:19,260 --> 00:56:20,540 Did you touch him? 662 00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:24,440 No. 663 00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,600 Have you had these desires before? 664 00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:33,100 Not for a long time. 665 00:56:35,260 --> 00:56:36,520 What did you do then? 666 00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:38,100 about these desires. 667 00:56:44,100 --> 00:56:50,160 So you were aware that some of the boys had suffered abuse. 668 00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,000 Is that correct? 669 00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,780 Yes, and I could tell you it was a tremendous shock. 670 00:56:57,240 --> 00:56:58,700 And what did you do about them? 671 00:56:59,220 --> 00:57:00,320 I beg your pardon? 672 00:57:01,620 --> 00:57:03,280 The boys, Monsignor. 673 00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,620 Did it occur to you that some of them might need counselling? 674 00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:10,200 I've told you it was a long time ago. 675 00:57:10,940 --> 00:57:15,260 None of us knew then what we know now about the effects of these things. 676 00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:21,080 I thought that the boys would be best served by not putting them through any 677 00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:22,080 more embarrassment. 678 00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:26,660 Are you aware that some of the brothers who remained in the orphanage after the 679 00:57:26,660 --> 00:57:29,360 police investigation was shut down in 1975... 680 00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:34,760 are now charged with criminal acts of sexual abuse against those same boys. 681 00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:36,280 Yes, I am. 682 00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,140 And it pains me greatly. 683 00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:42,260 Now, what about Brother Lavin? 684 00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:44,120 What about him? 685 00:57:44,420 --> 00:57:47,620 Well, were you aware that the police had evidence against him as well? 686 00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:49,000 Certainly not. 687 00:57:49,100 --> 00:57:50,380 You're a lying bastard! 688 00:57:50,700 --> 00:57:52,040 He's lying to your face! 689 00:57:52,340 --> 00:57:55,480 You're a lying bastard, Monsignor! You need to tell the truth! 690 00:57:55,740 --> 00:57:57,540 Go away and tell the truth! 691 00:57:57,920 --> 00:57:58,940 You can go to hell! 692 00:58:05,900 --> 00:58:09,260 If there's any further disruption, I will close this hearing to the public. 693 00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:12,480 Proceed, Counselor. 694 00:58:13,500 --> 00:58:18,720 Now, getting back to Brother Lavin, wasn't he shipped out as well? 695 00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:20,780 I wouldn't put it that way. 696 00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:24,840 It wasn't that part of the deal. After all, a million-dollar grant was at 697 00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:26,400 stake. There was no deal. 698 00:58:26,620 --> 00:58:27,620 I've told you. 699 00:58:28,740 --> 00:58:31,220 Brother Lavin got a well-deserved rest. 700 00:58:31,740 --> 00:58:32,740 That's all. 701 00:58:33,770 --> 00:58:37,550 As for the other two brothers, I was only following instructions. 702 00:58:39,090 --> 00:58:41,070 Whose instructions were you following? 703 00:58:42,570 --> 00:58:43,790 Jerome Ward. 704 00:58:45,590 --> 00:58:47,630 The Deputy Minister of Justice? 705 00:58:48,750 --> 00:58:50,950 Who died five years ago? 706 00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:55,030 Unfortunately. And you never talked to anyone else? 707 00:58:55,510 --> 00:58:56,510 I did not. 708 00:58:57,710 --> 00:59:01,070 So the dead guy did it. Is that it, Lenora? Well, boy, that's the way it 709 00:59:01,070 --> 00:59:04,070 looks, doesn't it? Because so far, the only government official who's been 710 00:59:04,070 --> 00:59:08,230 implicated, the only government official who anybody can remember being at any 711 00:59:08,230 --> 00:59:12,730 meetings any time, for those people who can remember anything at all, was the 712 00:59:12,730 --> 00:59:17,430 Deputy Minister of Justice, the late, the very late, Jerome Ward. 713 00:59:17,870 --> 00:59:19,890 My dear, if only the dead could talk. 714 00:59:20,130 --> 00:59:21,130 Ain't that the truth. 715 00:59:21,270 --> 00:59:22,550 What tales they would tell. 716 00:59:23,230 --> 00:59:24,870 Yeah, well, we got to move on now, caller. 717 00:59:25,850 --> 00:59:26,850 Go ahead. 718 00:59:26,890 --> 00:59:28,430 Line two, you're on air. 719 00:59:28,710 --> 00:59:30,190 Who are they going to call next, Lenora? 720 00:59:30,590 --> 00:59:32,930 That's what I want to know. Well, they might just as well call the 721 00:59:32,930 --> 00:59:34,830 Ghostbusters, as far as I'm concerned. What? 722 00:59:41,430 --> 00:59:43,590 I was scared out of my mind before I went in there. 723 00:59:45,290 --> 00:59:47,650 I just answered the questions, though. There's nothing to it, really. 724 00:59:58,160 --> 00:59:59,240 Where do you live now, Stephen? 725 00:59:59,980 --> 01:00:00,980 In Toronto. 726 01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:03,480 Are you employed? 727 01:00:03,660 --> 01:00:04,660 What do you work at? 728 01:00:05,300 --> 01:00:07,680 I'm looking for a job. That's what I was doing before I came down. 729 01:00:09,860 --> 01:00:11,100 Aren't you on welfare, Stephen? 730 01:00:11,660 --> 01:00:13,220 And have been for the past few years? 731 01:00:13,580 --> 01:00:15,080 Yeah, now and then. 732 01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,080 Sure, Jesus, what else are you going to do? I've got to eat, boy. 733 01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:20,720 Just the answer, Stephen. 734 01:00:22,660 --> 01:00:24,520 Do you have a criminal record? 735 01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:27,260 Yeah, a few small things. 736 01:00:31,140 --> 01:00:32,140 Break and entry. 737 01:00:32,540 --> 01:00:34,780 Assault. Possession of illegal drugs. 738 01:00:35,380 --> 01:00:36,380 Drunk driving. 739 01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,080 These are not small things, Mr. Lenny. 740 01:00:45,780 --> 01:00:49,400 Are you a male prostitute, Stephen? 741 01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,420 It's because I see here four arrests for male prostitution. 742 01:00:55,420 --> 01:00:56,420 Objection, my lord. 743 01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:57,800 It's okay. 744 01:00:57,880 --> 01:00:58,940 I'll withdraw the question. 745 01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:07,160 Now, Stephen, you stayed at the orphanage for, let's see, six more 746 01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:08,160 years. Is that correct? 747 01:01:09,220 --> 01:01:10,220 I don't know. 748 01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:12,400 Let me put the question another way. 749 01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:17,420 The records I have show that you left the orphanage at age 16. Is that 750 01:01:17,420 --> 01:01:18,420 correct? Yeah. 751 01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:20,120 Good. 752 01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:22,920 When you were 15 and 16. 753 01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:27,660 Do you remember a boy by the name of Alfred Langston? 754 01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:33,000 I don't know. 755 01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:34,980 How about Joseph Talman? 756 01:01:40,780 --> 01:01:41,780 Jeremy O'Toole? 757 01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:46,960 Oh, God, let me help your memory. 758 01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:49,960 You were 15. 759 01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,120 They were about seven or eight. 760 01:01:53,550 --> 01:01:54,710 You were fully grown. 761 01:01:55,630 --> 01:01:59,450 Half your height came up to your waist. Does that help, Mr. Lenny? 762 01:02:00,970 --> 01:02:02,110 No, this is not true. 763 01:02:02,350 --> 01:02:05,590 Did you force them to perform sexual acts upon your person, Stephen? 764 01:02:06,190 --> 01:02:07,190 Do you remember? 765 01:02:08,010 --> 01:02:09,590 In the downstairs bathroom. 766 01:02:09,930 --> 01:02:12,670 Does that help your memory? Or on the back fire escape? 767 01:02:14,150 --> 01:02:17,130 You've accused my client of sexual abuse, Stephen, when you know that you 768 01:02:17,130 --> 01:02:22,030 are the criminal, and I have witnesses to prove it. You've lied, Stephen. 769 01:02:22,990 --> 01:02:24,110 And I can prove it. 770 01:02:25,550 --> 01:02:28,870 Fifteen years ago, you told the police that Brother Glacken never touched you. 771 01:02:29,150 --> 01:02:33,170 Now, are you lying then or are you lying now? Which is it? Maybe you're just a 772 01:02:33,170 --> 01:02:34,730 liar. Answer the question. 773 01:02:36,130 --> 01:02:37,830 My Lord, could we have a short meeting, please? 774 01:02:38,290 --> 01:02:39,290 All right. 775 01:02:40,470 --> 01:02:41,348 Fifteen minutes. 776 01:02:41,350 --> 01:02:42,350 All right. 777 01:03:03,980 --> 01:03:07,860 Proceedings came to a chaotic halt today at the trial of Brother James Clacken, 778 01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:12,300 when a former resident was accused of sexually abusing younger boys at the 779 01:03:12,300 --> 01:03:16,520 orphanage. The fact that the young man has a long criminal record, including 780 01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:20,440 prostitution convictions, was also brought out under cross-examination. 781 01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,640 The trial of Brother Clacken is expected to resume tomorrow. 782 01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:29,260 You should go see him, Kevin. 783 01:03:29,700 --> 01:03:32,020 I mean, you could probably use a friend now, you know? 784 01:03:33,710 --> 01:03:35,290 So now you're going to start telling me what to do. 785 01:03:37,990 --> 01:03:42,870 I didn't mean it like that. It's just... I mean, how would you feel having those 786 01:03:42,870 --> 01:03:43,890 things said about you? 787 01:03:44,130 --> 01:03:45,470 What do you know, the expert or something? 788 01:03:47,090 --> 01:03:48,490 He always was a little huffler. 789 01:03:50,410 --> 01:03:53,210 Come on, Kevin. I'm just trying to help. Don't take it out on me. 790 01:03:54,230 --> 01:03:55,530 Don't take what out on you? 791 01:03:58,030 --> 01:03:59,330 Well, I don't care what you say. 792 01:03:59,990 --> 01:04:02,750 At least he stood up and tried to do something about it. 793 01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:08,840 I think you should too, Kevin. I mean, you can't let that criminal get away 794 01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:09,840 with it. 795 01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:11,560 Not after what he did to you. 796 01:04:14,340 --> 01:04:16,200 What do you know about what he did to me? 797 01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:25,660 I don't care about what he did to you. 798 01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:30,160 I care about what it's doing to you now. 799 01:04:30,780 --> 01:04:31,780 Now look, Sheila. 800 01:04:31,820 --> 01:04:32,820 No, you look. 801 01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:36,120 It's eating you up, Kevin. Look at yourself. 802 01:04:38,340 --> 01:04:40,240 I mean, the way you wake up at night. 803 01:04:41,980 --> 01:04:43,780 You go punch some guy in a bar. 804 01:04:49,020 --> 01:04:50,760 You're afraid when we're having sex. 805 01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:53,680 Come on, Kevin, you know it's true. 806 01:04:55,060 --> 01:04:57,620 I don't think you even enjoy it. I'm warning you, Sheila. 807 01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:00,880 You're what? 808 01:05:01,620 --> 01:05:02,620 You're warning me? 809 01:05:03,580 --> 01:05:04,580 What, Kevin? 810 01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:07,780 What are you going to do? You're going to punch me out because I'm trying to 811 01:05:07,780 --> 01:05:09,200 help? Just leave me alone, okay? 812 01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:12,200 No, I won't leave you alone. 813 01:05:12,420 --> 01:05:14,420 Sheila, there's no way for you to understand what all this means. 814 01:05:14,780 --> 01:05:16,120 Come on, that's hardly fair. 815 01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:18,960 Fair? 816 01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:21,760 Who said anything about fair? 817 01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:25,400 I know too goddamn well what fair means. 818 01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:29,520 Is it fair that after all these friggin' years, just when I'm starting to put all 819 01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:31,620 that shit behind me, I'm supposed to come out smiling? 820 01:05:33,169 --> 01:05:35,130 And get on camera and say, oh yeah, that's the fella. 821 01:05:35,810 --> 01:05:38,050 That's the guy who used to grab me by the back of the neck and haul me into 822 01:05:38,050 --> 01:05:39,050 his office. 823 01:05:39,210 --> 01:05:41,990 And make me sit on his lap while he put his hands down my pants and started 824 01:05:41,990 --> 01:05:42,990 groaning. 825 01:05:45,650 --> 01:05:46,810 Is there anything else you want to know? 826 01:06:12,490 --> 01:06:17,670 Isn't it ironic that on the very day that this city is gripped by the tragic 827 01:06:17,670 --> 01:06:22,830 death of young Stephen Runny, who died from an overdose, that on this very day 828 01:06:22,830 --> 01:06:28,750 a jury returned with a verdict of guilty on eight counts of sexual assault and 829 01:06:28,750 --> 01:06:34,430 indecent exposure against brother James Glackin, the very man who tortured poor 830 01:06:34,430 --> 01:06:37,130 Stephen when he was a little boy at the orphanage. 831 01:06:38,230 --> 01:06:40,830 Go ahead, line four. You're on the air. 832 01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:43,860 Quelque chose d'autre qu'on peut regarder. 833 01:06:44,140 --> 01:06:47,660 Oui. On peut regarder le tableau. Le tableau. 834 01:06:47,860 --> 01:06:51,700 Nous regardons le tableau. 835 01:06:51,940 --> 01:06:55,960 Répétez. Nous regardons le tableau. 836 01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:01,700 Go ahead. 837 01:07:02,020 --> 01:07:02,959 Don't be shy. 838 01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:05,760 Come on, come on. What is it? Show us. 839 01:07:06,660 --> 01:07:08,100 Un craie. 840 01:07:12,490 --> 01:07:13,490 Excuse me. 841 01:07:13,810 --> 01:07:17,770 You're going to take notes of what was written on the board. 842 01:07:41,330 --> 01:07:42,330 Stephen's dead. 843 01:07:42,850 --> 01:07:44,090 Oh, my God. 844 01:08:08,210 --> 01:08:09,450 We're gathered here today. 845 01:08:10,170 --> 01:08:13,490 say farewell to our brother in Christ, Stephen Lunny. 846 01:08:14,250 --> 01:08:16,069 Would you please join me in the Lord's Prayer? 847 01:08:17,410 --> 01:08:21,270 Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. 848 01:08:21,790 --> 01:08:26,270 Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. 849 01:08:27,090 --> 01:08:32,370 Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive 850 01:08:32,370 --> 01:08:34,010 those who trespass against us. 851 01:08:34,710 --> 01:08:38,270 And lead us not into temptation, deliver us from evil. 852 01:08:40,060 --> 01:08:43,580 the kingdom, the power, and the glory forever and ever. 853 01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:45,160 Amen. 854 01:08:45,779 --> 01:08:50,939 Lord, receive the soul of Stephen Lunny and present him to God on high. 855 01:08:52,279 --> 01:08:53,920 And give him eternal life, Lord. 856 01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:56,080 May your light shine on him forever. 857 01:08:56,939 --> 01:08:57,939 Amen. 858 01:09:36,890 --> 01:09:38,250 I got to go to bed, boys. 859 01:09:39,350 --> 01:09:42,090 I'll listen to what the wife tells me. That's the secret of life. 860 01:09:43,109 --> 01:09:44,109 That right, Sheila. 861 01:09:46,550 --> 01:09:47,550 That one there. 862 01:09:47,670 --> 01:09:49,149 You always do what she tells you? 863 01:09:52,330 --> 01:09:53,450 I'm working on it. 864 01:09:54,950 --> 01:09:58,990 Now, you try to set an example for me. All right. 865 01:09:59,430 --> 01:10:01,670 First, I got to say a couple of words to me. 866 01:10:02,590 --> 01:10:05,170 I'm not a buddy of Kevin here. I should go home, buddy. 867 01:10:07,250 --> 01:10:08,250 Listen. 868 01:10:09,610 --> 01:10:10,610 Don't do it. 869 01:10:12,770 --> 01:10:13,970 Don't go on that stand. 870 01:10:17,150 --> 01:10:18,510 I could have done this to you. 871 01:10:19,570 --> 01:10:20,570 Maybe. 872 01:10:21,610 --> 01:10:25,510 Maybe none of this would have happened if they just left him alone or whatever 873 01:10:25,510 --> 01:10:27,430 he was at up there in Toronto. 874 01:10:29,490 --> 01:10:31,290 I was there when I seen him. 875 01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:33,240 What they done to him? 876 01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:36,680 They ripped him apart. 877 01:10:38,500 --> 01:10:43,580 They sprayed him out for the whole friggin' world to look at. 878 01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:50,520 For the record, what was your position in 1975? 879 01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:53,400 I was Minister of Justice at the time. 880 01:10:53,860 --> 01:10:58,020 Were you aware of a police investigation concerning Vincent Orphanage? 881 01:10:58,260 --> 01:11:00,560 No. I never heard about it. 882 01:11:01,740 --> 01:11:04,960 Your department ordered the chief of police to shut down that investigation. 883 01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:06,780 Do you know about that? 884 01:11:07,260 --> 01:11:08,540 I was never informed. 885 01:11:13,480 --> 01:11:19,180 Many people assume that as minister, you must have known about such a potentially 886 01:11:19,180 --> 01:11:20,200 explosive matter. 887 01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:23,920 That's because they don't know how government works. 888 01:11:27,020 --> 01:11:29,200 Did you ever discuss this matter in cabinet? 889 01:11:30,540 --> 01:11:34,720 You know perfectly well that I am bound by an oath of cabinet secrecy. 890 01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:38,120 I can only repeat, I knew nothing. 891 01:12:12,430 --> 01:12:14,170 I had to take children out of school, Peter. 892 01:12:15,490 --> 01:12:17,650 I won't have them put through any more than this. 893 01:12:21,610 --> 01:12:22,690 What are you talking about? 894 01:12:23,150 --> 01:12:24,530 I sent them to my mother. 895 01:12:28,710 --> 01:12:31,770 I will not have my children taken away from me, Chantal. 896 01:12:32,750 --> 01:12:34,190 Well, they can't stay here. 897 01:12:35,610 --> 01:12:38,270 You've got to go back there, and I'm coming with you. 898 01:12:40,930 --> 01:12:41,930 Well, no, you're not. 899 01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:43,540 Yes, I am. 900 01:12:44,480 --> 01:12:45,600 No, you are not. 901 01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:46,880 I am. 902 01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:50,680 Chantel, you are not coming with me and that is final. 903 01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:54,100 I've made all the arrangements. 904 01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:01,960 See for myself. 905 01:13:07,420 --> 01:13:13,890 Chantel, I would love to... have you come with me. But your 906 01:13:13,890 --> 01:13:17,250 place is here with them. Peter, I'm coming. 907 01:13:18,810 --> 01:13:22,630 In good 908 01:13:22,630 --> 01:13:32,170 time 909 01:13:32,170 --> 01:13:33,170 and bad. 910 01:13:33,190 --> 01:13:34,190 Remember? 911 01:14:13,550 --> 01:14:14,590 Thinking about laughing. 912 01:14:18,690 --> 01:14:20,070 But I was scared I wasn't. 913 01:14:47,430 --> 01:14:48,730 I'll do whatever you want, Mom. 914 01:14:49,510 --> 01:14:50,510 Please, Mom. 915 01:15:01,410 --> 01:15:04,190 We've gone a long way together, right? 916 01:15:05,750 --> 01:15:07,930 Can you tell me how you feel about me now? 917 01:15:28,650 --> 01:15:29,650 I'm afraid of you. 918 01:15:30,690 --> 01:15:31,850 In what sense? 919 01:15:33,430 --> 01:15:34,430 Afraid of me. 920 01:16:16,490 --> 01:16:17,510 Don't hurt me. 921 01:16:17,810 --> 01:16:19,750 Okay? Don't hurt me. I promise. 922 01:16:20,090 --> 01:16:21,090 I promise. 923 01:16:22,710 --> 01:16:23,890 I won't hurt you. 924 01:16:31,910 --> 01:16:33,870 There's one thing you can do for yourself. 925 01:16:34,610 --> 01:16:35,610 Yeah. Okay? 926 01:16:37,310 --> 01:16:43,250 You as a grown man, as an adult, as a strong grown man, 927 01:16:45,710 --> 01:16:51,130 go down inside and you can meet this little boy 928 01:16:51,130 --> 01:16:57,550 that you were was longing for 929 01:16:57,550 --> 01:16:59,010 somebody 930 01:16:59,010 --> 01:17:05,910 and 931 01:17:05,910 --> 01:17:12,830 you carried this longing all 932 01:17:12,830 --> 01:17:13,830 your life 933 01:17:30,170 --> 01:17:31,830 I'm supposed to be here somewhere. 934 01:17:34,750 --> 01:17:38,090 Peter. George, how are you? Good to see you again. Good to see you. 935 01:17:38,530 --> 01:17:41,570 George, Stoney, this is Chantel. Chantel, George, Stoney. 936 01:17:48,100 --> 01:17:50,740 Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. 937 01:17:51,100 --> 01:17:55,180 Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. 938 01:17:56,540 --> 01:18:00,220 Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our 939 01:18:00,220 --> 01:18:05,460 death. Amen. Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. 940 01:18:06,100 --> 01:18:09,980 Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. 941 01:18:10,700 --> 01:18:14,560 Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our 942 01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:15,560 death. Amen. 943 01:18:17,340 --> 01:18:19,760 Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. 944 01:18:20,300 --> 01:18:24,200 Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. 945 01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:29,000 Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our 946 01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:34,380 death. Tell me, what will I hear in that courtroom tomorrow? 947 01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:39,500 Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. 948 01:18:40,500 --> 01:18:43,520 Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now. 949 01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:49,540 Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. 950 01:18:49,820 --> 01:18:52,420 I think I can understand. 951 01:18:52,980 --> 01:18:58,340 Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our 952 01:18:58,340 --> 01:18:59,340 death. 953 01:19:00,540 --> 01:19:04,380 I think I can forgive. 954 01:19:55,340 --> 01:19:56,340 State your name, please. 955 01:19:56,980 --> 01:19:57,980 Kevin Reavy. 956 01:19:58,020 --> 01:20:01,100 Do you swear that the evidence you shall give to the court shall be the truth, 957 01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:04,020 the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? So help you God. 958 01:20:04,820 --> 01:20:05,820 I do. 959 01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:12,800 I have here a police witness statement I'd like you to look at. 960 01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:18,000 The signature on the bottom, Mr. Reavy. 961 01:20:18,500 --> 01:20:22,220 I ask you now, is that your true signature made by your own hand? 962 01:20:23,340 --> 01:20:24,340 Yes, it is. 963 01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:28,780 If you go back to the top of the document, sir, I'd like to ask you a few 964 01:20:28,780 --> 01:20:30,300 questions as we go through the statement. 965 01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:35,180 Do you remember giving this information to Detective Noseworthy? 966 01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:37,160 I do indeed. 967 01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:40,960 And are you prepared to tell this court what was done to you? 968 01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:45,000 I am. 969 01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:46,720 Fine. 970 01:20:47,020 --> 01:20:48,980 I'll give you a moment to read through the statement. 971 01:20:56,330 --> 01:20:58,710 I'd like to start with the night of December 7th. 972 01:20:59,170 --> 01:21:02,510 That was the night you ran away from the orphanage and were brought back by the 973 01:21:02,510 --> 01:21:03,509 police. 974 01:21:03,510 --> 01:21:04,670 Do you remember that incident? 975 01:21:06,010 --> 01:21:07,010 Yes, I do remember. 976 01:21:07,850 --> 01:21:11,530 And when the police brought you back, who did they hand you over to? 977 01:21:12,690 --> 01:21:13,690 Brother Lev. 978 01:21:14,170 --> 01:21:16,310 Could you tell this court what happened to you then? 979 01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:26,140 He told me to wait in his office. 980 01:21:28,700 --> 01:21:32,340 And I went down the hallway and he was talking to the cops all friendly like. 981 01:21:34,820 --> 01:21:36,040 And then I was waiting there. 982 01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:39,100 He came in and closed the door. 983 01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:44,520 And then he told me to come over and sit on his lap. 984 01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:47,880 Like he always did. 985 01:21:52,420 --> 01:21:53,460 What happened next? 986 01:21:58,190 --> 01:22:03,390 Took off my shirt and he was kissing me on the neck and on the shoulders. 987 01:22:07,030 --> 01:22:08,570 He would claim that he was my mother. 988 01:22:10,330 --> 01:22:12,590 I told him that he wasn't my mother and that my mother was dead. 989 01:22:16,210 --> 01:22:17,210 And then he beat me. 990 01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:34,560 Mr. Revy, our records show that you were 10 years old when this incident took 991 01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:36,220 place. Would that be correct? 992 01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:37,680 Yes. 993 01:22:38,820 --> 01:22:43,360 And the man who did these things to you, is that man here in this courtroom 994 01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:44,360 today? 995 01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:46,000 Yes. 996 01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:48,720 Would you point him out for the court, please? 997 01:22:55,340 --> 01:22:57,340 Let the record show that... 998 01:22:57,900 --> 01:22:59,560 The witness identified the defendant. 999 01:23:02,260 --> 01:23:07,120 Now, this wasn't the first time that you were sexually assaulted by Brother 1000 01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:08,119 Levin, was it? 1001 01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:09,120 No. 1002 01:23:10,460 --> 01:23:11,580 No, I used to be his boy. 1003 01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:14,640 When did it start? 1004 01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:18,180 Not long after I went into the place. 1005 01:23:21,480 --> 01:23:23,020 Do you remember the first time? 1006 01:23:24,340 --> 01:23:25,340 Yes. 1007 01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:28,960 Could you tell us about it, please? 1008 01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:32,940 The first time was in the pool. 1009 01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:36,580 Do you remember how it started? 1010 01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:41,640 It was Eastern. 1011 01:23:43,460 --> 01:23:47,960 All the other ones were gone to visit, so... I went to him and asked him how 1012 01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:48,960 come I couldn't go out anywhere. 1013 01:23:50,100 --> 01:23:51,100 Because I was alone. 1014 01:23:54,410 --> 01:23:56,890 I wanted to know how come I didn't have an uncle or an aunt or anyone who would 1015 01:23:56,890 --> 01:23:58,130 come and see me and take me out. 1016 01:23:59,790 --> 01:24:05,190 I mean, I remembered Mom and Dad and the funeral, so I knew I was an orphan, but 1017 01:24:05,190 --> 01:24:08,810 I got to thinking I must have some family. 1018 01:24:14,630 --> 01:24:21,190 I went to see Brother Lab, and he was real nice to me after that. 1019 01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:26,320 We went swimming. 1020 01:24:31,220 --> 01:24:34,940 We were alone in the pool and I remember we were having a good time. He was 1021 01:24:34,940 --> 01:24:35,940 throwing me up in the air. 1022 01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:37,980 I would splash down. 1023 01:24:42,900 --> 01:24:47,040 But then suddenly he was holding me and pressing me against him. 1024 01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:54,200 And then he took off my bathing suit. 1025 01:24:58,320 --> 01:24:59,860 He took off his bathing suit. 1026 01:25:03,480 --> 01:25:05,160 He was pressing me against him. 1027 01:25:08,240 --> 01:25:09,560 What did he do next? 1028 01:25:12,100 --> 01:25:14,120 He was rubbing himself against me. 1029 01:25:19,180 --> 01:25:20,620 And I felt him get hard. 1030 01:25:26,570 --> 01:25:28,590 He was trying to force this thing inside me. 1031 01:25:35,310 --> 01:25:40,390 I remember I was crying because it hurt so much. 1032 01:25:47,270 --> 01:25:49,010 It seemed to go on for a long time. 1033 01:25:52,010 --> 01:25:54,470 He was moaning and groaning and finally he stopped. 1034 01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:02,600 And after that, I became his boy. 1035 01:26:05,820 --> 01:26:07,520 And he would have me called to his office. 1036 01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:17,040 Speak to my husband. 1037 01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:19,160 Of course. 1038 01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:21,400 I'll be outside. 1039 01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:42,920 Didn't you feel anything listening to that testimony? 1040 01:27:45,130 --> 01:27:46,130 Yes, I did. 1041 01:27:51,230 --> 01:27:53,590 I felt what a martyr I'd been all my life. 1042 01:27:56,110 --> 01:27:59,090 First to those lying little bastards and now to you. 1043 01:28:02,670 --> 01:28:05,350 You feel no guilt? 1044 01:28:06,550 --> 01:28:07,550 No shame? 1045 01:28:09,670 --> 01:28:10,670 Kevin Revy. 1046 01:28:12,810 --> 01:28:16,270 was a lonely little boy whom I befriended out of the kindness of my 1047 01:28:16,270 --> 01:28:17,270 heart. 1048 01:28:24,630 --> 01:28:25,630 I loved him. 1049 01:28:27,050 --> 01:28:30,650 You call that love? 1050 01:28:35,650 --> 01:28:36,650 Yes, I do. 1051 01:28:37,650 --> 01:28:38,650 No. 1052 01:28:39,330 --> 01:28:41,070 That is not loving. 1053 01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:43,140 That is hurting. 1054 01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:47,540 You have hurt this little boy. 1055 01:28:48,980 --> 01:28:50,520 I could kill you. 1056 01:29:11,470 --> 01:29:14,870 Am going to act with only what? 1057 01:29:21,010 --> 01:29:21,610 Why 1058 01:29:21,610 --> 01:29:30,530 don't 1059 01:29:30,530 --> 01:29:33,130 you ask them yourself they're your children 1060 01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:50,840 No longer.